Interview with Eric Hookings

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Interview with Eric Hookings

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Eric Hookings joined the RAF and served as ground personnel before volunteering for aircrew duties. He trained in the United States and was posted to 619 Squadron on his return. He describes being shot down by a night fighter over Germany and attempting to evade.

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IBCC Digital Archive

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2015-10-24

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Julie Williams

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01:09:51 audio recording

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AHookingsE151024

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GC: This is going to be an interview for the International Bomber Command. My name is Gemma Clapton. The interviewee today is Flight Lieutenant Eric Hookings and the interview is taking place 24th of October at Copford in Colchester, Essex. Tell me a little about life joining the RAF in World War Two.
EH: I remember Chamberlain coming back saying, ‘We are now at war with Germany.’ We had been expecting some sort of reply but we didn’t believe that it would be to total war. So, everybody that you met was showing nervous energy. Not knowing, or rather, in many cases, knowing that the Germans had a very force, very forcible [pause] army, navy and the air force. For the first twelve months after the Germans had taken over France they — we had a lull which gave our country time to re-muster every possible service. Auxiliary force. And then in 1940 the Battle of Britain commenced and our squadrons of Hurricanes and Spitfires were in constant battle at [pause] at that time. But eventually we were able, able to win that battle. Hitler, at that time, had mustered [pause] but mustered some landing barges for the attack on England. But after the Bomber Command took over and and concentrated on destroying the barges which was meant for the invasion of England. Then having joined 150 Squadron at RAF Newton I was a GI and did all different types of jobs. One day I could be a policeman. Another day I could be loading up bombs on to aircraft. Then much to my surprise a notice was put up on the board and I happened to read it and it read, “Aircrew Required.” And I thought I would like to do that. And then I thought I’m not bright enough to become a pilot. But what I thought — I’d put my name down. My name was put down and to be accepted you had to pass an examination and although I didn’t have a lot of confidence in my ability. Ability then. I thought I’ll have a go. I went for the exam and I knew I had failed. But much to my surprise I was summoned to an office which consisted of three Royal Air Force officers. I saluted and said — and the officers in charge said, ‘You know why we got you here, Hookings?’ I said, ‘Is it because I failed?’ ‘Yes. But there was something we saw in you so we suggested to, to ask you would you go back to school?’ And I said, ‘I would do anything sir if its beneficial.’ They said to me, ‘We can send you down to Brighton for six weeks. You’re going to stay in the best hotels down there and your job will be to brighten up.’ I went forward for the six weeks and the day of the exam came around and I felt fairly confident that I could do it and I did. I got passed. So that was the start of my flying career. I was selected to go to America for full training. We couldn’t exercise the amount of flying over the UK because of the black outs. It wasn’t long before my name was called out and with others we were marched to Greenock, near Glasgow — Glasgow for shipment to the United States for training. We arrived the next day and much to our surprise we saw the Queen Mary had docked and it had a big hole in the bow. And we realised that our trip to America would not take place. So, we were marched off and wondering what was going to happen next. It didn’t take long to realise that we were going to America because they marched us down to the docks and the Queen Mary with the big hole had been filled with concrete. Heavy duty chains were wrapped around it and we couldn’t believe our eyes. In a short time the Queen Mary sailed for America. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I went on board. The suite that I shared with another chap was magnificent and talk about travelling in style. Style. We certainly did. We crossed the Atlantic in five days including all the zigzagging — being chased by U-boats and we arrived at Boston, US. And we were taken then back to Moncton in Canada. It seemed everybody in the Royal Air Force, whether it was the first or second time, had to go through Moncton. Very pleasant indeed. The Canadians are very nice people. We then waited further instructions which came and we were put on a train that took us through Montreal, Toronto and to the railway station in Oklahoma at Ponca City. Ponca City was going to be our base for about at least nine months. It was a flying training station. There were American trainees and our own squadron of which they made me the leader. I there had eighteen fellow companions under my control. The discipline was pretty strong and we had to make sure that we kept astride of the American trainees. I found so much in my training but unfortunately it had a bad side to it. As I’ve said I was in charge of eighteen other pupils and they had all gone solo from eight hours to twelve and I hadn’t made any advancement. So, I thought my flying career is not going to get off the ground. Anyway, the boys in my squadron, they were so pleased with their results and they did their best to help me over the loss of staying at the school. But the — but the chief flying officer, he called me to the parachute room one day and he said to me, ‘I’m going to ask you to fly me on the circuit and land it. I won’t interfere unless there’s any sign of danger. So, it’s your responsibility to handle the aircraft.’ As you can imagine my nerves were acting very strange. I thought I’m going to do this. We entered the plane and the CFI, Chief Flying Instructor said, ‘Right, Hookings. The plane is yours.’ Having been trained I taxied out to take off point. I waited there in the correct position waiting for clearance to fly. I went roaring down the runway and made a nice take off and I did the circuit and I came in. All of the procedures I did were correct. I came in. Landed the plane. I never had a better landing. I just kissed the ground and the CFI said, ‘Back to base.’ So, and he said, ‘I’m getting out now. I want you to do exactly the same as you did on that landing. You were very very good.’ Anyway, I taxied out. Nice take off. Got to the end of the runway and I screamed. I was so uptight. Then I suddenly realised I’m by myself. A strange feeling. I came in to land. I hit the deck. I bounced. Stick forward. Motor. I corrected correctly. I did it three times. I thought I’d blown it now. Anyway, I taxied back, jumped out, saluted the officer. I said, ‘I’m sorry sir.’ He said, ‘What are you sorry about Hookings?’ I said, ‘That landing.’ ‘My God,’ he said, ‘You’ve got nothing to worry about there. You did exactly as you were trained to do and I’m going to pass you.’ What a wonderful feeling to know I wasn’t going back to the UK empty. Shall I have a rest?
[recording paused]
GC: Tell me a little bit about the planes you flew. The different type of planes?
EH: Right. Ok. [pause] I got my wings but I was very disappointed that I didn’t get my commission. And having done very well without a squadron and one [pause] very various events I believe that our wing commander who was in charge of the Royal Air Force Cadets — he gave me the impression that my education wasn’t what he was happy with. As we all know the cream of crews came from private schools. Anyway, as a sergeant I was shipped back to Liverpool and then after leave I was posted to [pause] Bruntingthorpe for training on the Wellington which was a lovely plane to fly. And I must admit I over [pause] one day I decided to fly into cloud not realise that there was danger in the fact you rely on instruments for blind flying and I lost control of the Wellington and I was ready to ask or tell the crew to jump and as I was thinking I managed to see an open space and from that day to this I never told my crew what had happened. I said it was part of aerobatics. When — when you do blind flying you have to concentrate one hundred percent on instruments and at that time I was being trained for blind flying but not sufficient to handle the aircraft in cloud at that time. Anyway, I went through further, further training on the Wellingtons. It was a very interesting period of my life to think I got there. And from there I went on to Stirlings. The four engine plane. It was taken away from front line activities so we did quite a bit of flying doing gardening with it and cross country’s and it was, it was rather difficult aircraft to handle because it was prone to [pause] prone to engine failure. It happened to me so I had to make the landing with three engines. Not four. From there I went on to Lancasters and found that very demanding and competent. We were trained with [pause] and it was a very pleasant experience to fall in love with that plane. On one take-off I was — I had done all my checks before take-off and everything seemed to be working. I got the green light. I had a full bomb load on and I got the clearance and off I went. The lift off was about ninety five miles per hour. And at that particular moment when one was lifting off my port outer lost all its power. I had a decision to make. Can I get the plane off with a full bomb load with three engines? Rightly or wrongly I decided to cut the engines and as I cut the engines she swerved off the runway and I said to the crew, ‘Back.’ They knew what I meant. To keep the tail down we wanted as much — and the nose was trying to get up but fortunately the grass were very wet and it sank down and fortunately no one was hurt. And I thought to myself, ‘I’ve done a good job here.’ But they called me to the tower and they weren’t very pleased that I had to abandon my take-off. Anyway, that was all a part of the experience and I continued flying with 619 Squadron until the day came when we were on a raid and my crew were very much aware of their job to make sure we don’t hit another aircraft. Or make sure Jerry is seen first. Having said that my rear gunner shouted out, ‘Port. Go.’ ‘Port go,’ is a short order that we had the enemy in our — he had us in his sights. So when I received that order I just went straight into the figure eight which gave my gunners a clear field. And then my rear gunner shouted down the intercom, ‘I’ve got him. I’ve got him. I’ve got him.’ On that piece I decided to get back on course. I requested my navigator, ‘Course to target’. It came back very quickly so we were back on course. Now, we want to make sure that we were ok but in doing that a Messerschmitt 110 got under the Lancaster and shot us right through the centre killing the two gunners and my wireless operator. We struggled with our [unclear] trying to put the fire out. But unfortunately the fire had got between the rear and the front and the port inner was ablaze. I was left with no alternative then to abandon the aircraft. I gave the order, ‘Jump. Jump. Jump. Jump. Jump.’ And I got my crew from the front of the plane. I got. And myself.
Other: Is he Ok? Eric. Eric. Come on. Wakey wakey. You’re dreaming a little bit there, aren’t you?
GC: No. He’s fine.
[pause]
EH: Jump from the plane.
GC: Yeah.
EH: Yes. And I got the crew out on the front end entrance. While they were — the [pause] my engineer went down the step, a couple of steps and he got the axe that was above the hatch but unfortunately when he got it open it twisted and blocked in the diagonal which meant blocking the entrance. I shouted to him, ‘Axe it. Axe it.’ And he smashed it with the axe and they were able to get out. During that time I was still at the controls trying to steady the aircraft to the best of my ability. And we, the four, the four of us in front managed to get out. I tried to make an effort with the centre of the aircraft but that was ablaze and I then decided there was nothing further that I could do. The [pause] I then made the jump for it through the hatch. We pilots were the only member of the crew who had their parachute attached to them. So anyway I did a freefall for about three or four minutes to clear the aircraft and I pulled the ripcord. I finished up in the forest and caught in the trees. And I could see I was, I was in a big difficult situation. Anyway, in training they teach you if you are under any form of stress which, obviously jumping from an aeroplane comes in that category, they say just stop for about twenty minutes and re-collect. This is the situation. I’d been there for about at least half an hour. Then everything was so quiet until I heard this whistle. And I recognised the whistle because it came from my engineer. And he was always whistling that. And I shouted, ‘Is that you John?’ And he said, ‘Yes skipper. Where are you?’ I said, ‘I’m in the trees.’ Oh he said, ‘Oh we’ll soon get you down’. Optimism. It took a long time to get clear of those branches but we did it. We were then faced with capture. We didn’t want to be captured. So I said to John take, ‘Take your stripes off and make your uniform dirty.’ I said, ‘We’re going to be labourers.’ I did the same. And all of a sudden at 7.30 the sky opened up so we had to find somewhere to stay. And we found this barn and we made use of that for about two or three hours. By that time the weather had improved so we knew we had a big problem. After — after one day I realised that we had to do something different. We managed to find a log and we carried that through the villages and that piece of wood was our passport. And we were not stopped until we came to this road and so we just strode along and all of a sudden I heard the voices.

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Gemma Clapton, “Interview with Eric Hookings,” IBCC Digital Archive, accessed July 9, 2020, https://ibccdigitalarchive.lincoln.ac.uk/omeka/collections/document/8853.

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