Interview with James Froud. Two
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Interview with James Froud. Two
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As part of the Pathfinder Force, Jimmy explains that they did a lot of training using radar, wire runs and bombing ranges, as well as radio range with the wireless operator. Jimmy also describes the fighter affiliation they carried out. They sometimes marked targets or drop flares. Jimmy refers to several operations with 83 Squadron to places in Norway and Germany, including cross country runs across France and Belgium. They experienced being hit by anti-aircraft fire. The final operation was to Tønsberg in Norway. They also jettisoned incendiaries into the North Sea. Jimmy moved from 83 Squadron to RAF Coningsby, followed by RAF Finningley, a Bomber Command instructors’ course, and RAF North Luffenham, a Heavy Conversion Unit. Jimmy did a number of trips to RAF Moreton in the Marsh; to dump aircraft. He was at Cambridge when demobilised.
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2016-05-16
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DP: This interview is being conducted for the IBCC Bomber Command, the interview is, the interviewer is Dave Pilsworth, the interviewee is Jimmy Froud. The interview is taking place at Mr Froud’s home, xxxx, Bury St Edmunds on the sixteenth of May, time is, twelve ten.
JF: [inaudible] Warboys, we weren’t there long, from the thirtieth of the eighth to the fourteenth of the ninth, apparently, er, we then went on leave, came back and went to [pause], a quick check, I must have gone straight [pause] to -
DP: Interview paused.
JF: There’s a lot of operations I did with Warrant Officer Price as a spare gunner, one was to Danzig, the other one was to Stuttgart. Danzig was badly pranged and a lot of people got, unfortunately, er [pause] then it looks as if we pursued a load of training for the lads, using radar, wire runs, those were the runs, er, to bombing ranges, you’ve probably heard of those before, er, there’s a number of them there, ok [pause].
DP: Yep. Interview paused.
[inaudible]
JF: With the crew, with 83 Squadron, Bergen, that’s in Norway of course, erm, and on the way back we were diverted to, ooh, Sutton I expect, but er, our base was unavailable due to fog, but don’t put all that detail in if it’s unnecessary. Strangely enough, the next operation, was on, the first of the eleventh [pause], and that was a daylight, to Homberg, not Hamburg, Homberg, in the Ruhr, and that was our daylight we did, we then [unclear] interest, did LORAN cross country and that was Belgium and France, that was checking the LORAN set out. We were hit by flak, and er, returned to base, duty not carried out, it’s written up, we did loads of daylight flying, for practise and night fighter affiliation, duty not carried out, so we just need to go onto the ops, don’t we?
AP: Interview paused.
JF: Ops, Mitchell, as a flying officer, Heilbronn, H-E-I-L-B-R-U-double N er, that’s a bombing raid I take it, Heilbronn, it must have been in France, wasn’t it, and the one after that, because this log book got damp once, it’s a job to see, and that was on the sixth of the twelfth, to Giessen, G-I-E-double S -E-N, six hour trip. Must have been just a bombing trip, sorry, we was, Pathfinder first, we were probably flare force, we dropped the flares to light the target up, but that sort of detail I didn’t put in because it didn’t affect me at all. Again, about the ninth of the first, at forty-five, went to Munich, eight hours forty again. I just sit in the rear and, let the boys work at the front, and I assume it was marking the target, or just putting flares down. We move on to several ariel, forty-five, well, the eighteenth, Bohlen, Leipzig, sonar [unclear] thirty trip, [pause] not sure, what, where that was, is, in the first months, no, second month, er, second of the first, no, already done that, anyway, Gravenhurst, which was the Dortmund-Ems canal. I can remember that erm, that was five hours forty-five, the following day, we were told that it had been successful, by a Spitfire out on recognition, er, reconnaissance and looked down and seen this ditch, which had previously been a canal, anyway they were usually fairly quickly repaired, actually [pause]. I’m trying to, about the twentieth of February, Horten, H-O-R-T-E-N that’s in Norway, and that was U-boat pens. Now we bombed that, and I remember going on leave sometime later and being told off by a mate who, being stationed up there, he said we’d hit the brewery and he was not pleased [laughs], because we got his beer [laughs]. Ah, the third of March, that’s my birthday er, Operation Schme and I don’t know how you pronounce that.
AP: Schmedehausen.
JF: Yeh, good, I’ll accept that. Dortmund-Ems canal was that the last one anyway, and then, again, Bohlen, that’s B-O-H-L-E-N, Leipzig, nearly a nine-hour trip, eight fifty-five, sixth of the third. Oh, these are pretty close together, Operation Sassnitz, that’s in the Baltic Sea apparently, eight hours, thirty. Any idea?
AP: No, for the record, interview paused.
JF: No, ok, Lutzendorf, L-U-T-Z-E-N-D-O-R-F, that’s Leipzig again, we also bombed Arsbeck as briefed, and we were diverted to wing, and so, that was, on the fourteenth, on the sixteenth and went to Wurzburg, that’s W-U-R-Z-B-U-R-G, seven hours twenty, that was the sixteenth of the third. I’ve got half a blank page here, I don’t know why that is.
AP: For the record, interview paused, just for the record, interview re-started.
JF: And so, we’re now, or did we do, had we done, Lutzendorf, I think we done that haven’t we, oh, don’t matter. Oh, with, seventeenth of the fourth, Cham, Bavaria, that’s Germany isn’t it [pause], seven hours fifty, no idea what it was, well, just, eighty, erm, Pathfinder duties. Oh, here’s one to Tonsberg in Norway, that’s the twentieth of the fourth, so we’re getting near the end of the war now, I think probably that’s the last one, I don’t know [pause], yep, that’s it. I, now, we were then, after a while, preparing to go out to the Far East. We, the plan was to take the mid upper turret off, dangerous thing to do, and put a fuel tank, petrol tank there, they did it to one aircraft we didn’t like the look of it but we did what we were told, or we went LMF [laughs] so we had actually finished operations I’m afraid, that last one was Tonsberg, I should recognise it [pause]erm [pause], [unclear].
AP: Just for the record, interview paused.
JF: Erm, we [unclear], we jettisoned incendiaries in the North Sea, there’s a big ditch below the ocean, and they had to locate it and drop, er, the incendiaries. They were a bit dicey those things, very dangerous, they were made hexagonal, in shape, about a foot long, and the firing pin was located so that they were all packed together in a tight bunch, and dropped so that they would scatter, now obviously, pretty dicey things to have around, so, the Air Force wanted to get rid of them, and we dumped quite a few, er, still flying with Mitchell, we’re doing fighter affiliation and wire runs.
AP: What was involved with fighter affiliation? Roughly.
JF: Erm, you’d have a fighter up [unclear] we got to using Spitfires, and er, he’d do attacks on you, and we’d have a camera mounted on your gun sight, only little tiny things they were, [unclear] and er, they would record, er, the fighter attacking and when you got back, they would be processed by a photo, photographic section, and then, and the films were assessed on a screen er [pause]. Now [pause] I continued doing practise, bombing, and, cross countries, cross country duty not carried out, I don’t know why, recalled to base, that’s unusual, I wonder why that was? Ah, sorry, Mitchell apparently disappeared after the eighth of the sixth, he went, he didn’t say goodbye or [unclear], just went and er, we then had another fella, Flying Officer Clayton, erm, and we were doing the same things, you know, preparing to go to the Far East, er, it was all training. We did radio range [unclear], don’t know what that was, that would be done with the wireless op, [unclear] fighter affiliation, fighter affiliation, fighter affiliation, fighter affiliation, loads of that, so taken a pair of guns away with us and told us to [unclear]. Bloody Air Force [pause]. Ah, now [pause] -
AP: Just for the record, interview paused.
JF: Yes, here I’ve moved from 44 Squadron, sorry, from 83 Squadron to a Heavy Conversion Unit, and that [pause], oh, here we are, I was at Coningsby up to the thirty first of the tenth, forty five, and then I went to Finningley, Finn-ing-ley, which was a Bomber Command instructors course, and then, from there, on the tenth of the eleventh, forty five, went to North Luffenham, which was a Heavy Conversion Unit, er, and we were training people up until, no, those dates are wrong [pause] [unclear].
AP: Just for the record, interview paused.
JF: And I was at Cambridge when we was demobbed, and we used to meet quite regularly, er, and he, but he died a couple of years ago, poor John [unclear], which probably was a good thing in a way because he’d gone blind or almost blind and he wasn’t taking it very well, a bit niggly on the phone, or some at -
AP: What was his surname?
JF: Norman, Johnny Norman, yeh, poor John.
AP: For the record, interview paused.
JF: Conversion Unit, so screened gunner, that means actually, screened gunner it says, then air gunner, that means, that’s a number of trips that we did to Moreton-in-the-Marsh and [unclear] to dump aircraft [pause] and we were up to the ninth of September, er, forty-six, we’re still flying as a screen gunner, fighter affiliation, and those airlift to Lindholme, fighter affiliation.
AP: Is this the conversion unit, sixteen sixty, wasn’t it?
JF: Sixteen fifty-three, Conversion Unit, that’s the last.
AP: For the record, interview, paused.
JF: Tenth, forty-six, could have come out on class B, class B, you got two weeks leave, I think, not long, and er, you were back into civvy street [laughs] and I came out on a class A, which is the normal class, we got a bit longer leave, and I, I’d reached that stage where I hadn’t made my mind up whether I wanted to stay in or not, but I couldn’t see, what I could be doing, ‘cos, I realised, that, erm, the aircraft that we were flying would have had to change, and the gunners would not be used, needed. If you’ve got fast enough aircraft, you don’t need air gunners, which is surplus baggage [laughs].
AP: So, what did you actually do, once you were actually demobbed?
JF: I was, I was a plumber apprentice up until the time I went into the RAF, and I went back to plumbing, er, until, I was happily married, and, I did, quite a number of exams, sorry, quite a bit of training at er, evening class, er, and got qualifications, and eventually went to Bolton, which was a training course. It’s attached to Manchester University, and er, there were all sorts of different trades there, building trade, printing, er, our friend along the road, he was a, I don’t know quite what he did actually, but he was in the typewriting and that type of stuff. So having got trained, you had to get a job, there was no guarantee of a job, but I got a job at Reading Tech, er, stayed there about nine years, a job came up here, for a higher position, so I came up here, finished up as deputy head in the construction department, and then, when I was old enough, I was demobbed.
AP: So, when you came down here, was you with, did you go to West Suffolk College?
JF: Yes.
AP: West Suffolk College.
JF: West Suffolk College.
AP: For the record, interview now finished at twelve forty-two with Jimmy Froud.
JF: Froud [laughter].
AP: Froud.
JF: [inaudible] Warboys, we weren’t there long, from the thirtieth of the eighth to the fourteenth of the ninth, apparently, er, we then went on leave, came back and went to [pause], a quick check, I must have gone straight [pause] to -
DP: Interview paused.
JF: There’s a lot of operations I did with Warrant Officer Price as a spare gunner, one was to Danzig, the other one was to Stuttgart. Danzig was badly pranged and a lot of people got, unfortunately, er [pause] then it looks as if we pursued a load of training for the lads, using radar, wire runs, those were the runs, er, to bombing ranges, you’ve probably heard of those before, er, there’s a number of them there, ok [pause].
DP: Yep. Interview paused.
[inaudible]
JF: With the crew, with 83 Squadron, Bergen, that’s in Norway of course, erm, and on the way back we were diverted to, ooh, Sutton I expect, but er, our base was unavailable due to fog, but don’t put all that detail in if it’s unnecessary. Strangely enough, the next operation, was on, the first of the eleventh [pause], and that was a daylight, to Homberg, not Hamburg, Homberg, in the Ruhr, and that was our daylight we did, we then [unclear] interest, did LORAN cross country and that was Belgium and France, that was checking the LORAN set out. We were hit by flak, and er, returned to base, duty not carried out, it’s written up, we did loads of daylight flying, for practise and night fighter affiliation, duty not carried out, so we just need to go onto the ops, don’t we?
AP: Interview paused.
JF: Ops, Mitchell, as a flying officer, Heilbronn, H-E-I-L-B-R-U-double N er, that’s a bombing raid I take it, Heilbronn, it must have been in France, wasn’t it, and the one after that, because this log book got damp once, it’s a job to see, and that was on the sixth of the twelfth, to Giessen, G-I-E-double S -E-N, six hour trip. Must have been just a bombing trip, sorry, we was, Pathfinder first, we were probably flare force, we dropped the flares to light the target up, but that sort of detail I didn’t put in because it didn’t affect me at all. Again, about the ninth of the first, at forty-five, went to Munich, eight hours forty again. I just sit in the rear and, let the boys work at the front, and I assume it was marking the target, or just putting flares down. We move on to several ariel, forty-five, well, the eighteenth, Bohlen, Leipzig, sonar [unclear] thirty trip, [pause] not sure, what, where that was, is, in the first months, no, second month, er, second of the first, no, already done that, anyway, Gravenhurst, which was the Dortmund-Ems canal. I can remember that erm, that was five hours forty-five, the following day, we were told that it had been successful, by a Spitfire out on recognition, er, reconnaissance and looked down and seen this ditch, which had previously been a canal, anyway they were usually fairly quickly repaired, actually [pause]. I’m trying to, about the twentieth of February, Horten, H-O-R-T-E-N that’s in Norway, and that was U-boat pens. Now we bombed that, and I remember going on leave sometime later and being told off by a mate who, being stationed up there, he said we’d hit the brewery and he was not pleased [laughs], because we got his beer [laughs]. Ah, the third of March, that’s my birthday er, Operation Schme and I don’t know how you pronounce that.
AP: Schmedehausen.
JF: Yeh, good, I’ll accept that. Dortmund-Ems canal was that the last one anyway, and then, again, Bohlen, that’s B-O-H-L-E-N, Leipzig, nearly a nine-hour trip, eight fifty-five, sixth of the third. Oh, these are pretty close together, Operation Sassnitz, that’s in the Baltic Sea apparently, eight hours, thirty. Any idea?
AP: No, for the record, interview paused.
JF: No, ok, Lutzendorf, L-U-T-Z-E-N-D-O-R-F, that’s Leipzig again, we also bombed Arsbeck as briefed, and we were diverted to wing, and so, that was, on the fourteenth, on the sixteenth and went to Wurzburg, that’s W-U-R-Z-B-U-R-G, seven hours twenty, that was the sixteenth of the third. I’ve got half a blank page here, I don’t know why that is.
AP: For the record, interview paused, just for the record, interview re-started.
JF: And so, we’re now, or did we do, had we done, Lutzendorf, I think we done that haven’t we, oh, don’t matter. Oh, with, seventeenth of the fourth, Cham, Bavaria, that’s Germany isn’t it [pause], seven hours fifty, no idea what it was, well, just, eighty, erm, Pathfinder duties. Oh, here’s one to Tonsberg in Norway, that’s the twentieth of the fourth, so we’re getting near the end of the war now, I think probably that’s the last one, I don’t know [pause], yep, that’s it. I, now, we were then, after a while, preparing to go out to the Far East. We, the plan was to take the mid upper turret off, dangerous thing to do, and put a fuel tank, petrol tank there, they did it to one aircraft we didn’t like the look of it but we did what we were told, or we went LMF [laughs] so we had actually finished operations I’m afraid, that last one was Tonsberg, I should recognise it [pause]erm [pause], [unclear].
AP: Just for the record, interview paused.
JF: Erm, we [unclear], we jettisoned incendiaries in the North Sea, there’s a big ditch below the ocean, and they had to locate it and drop, er, the incendiaries. They were a bit dicey those things, very dangerous, they were made hexagonal, in shape, about a foot long, and the firing pin was located so that they were all packed together in a tight bunch, and dropped so that they would scatter, now obviously, pretty dicey things to have around, so, the Air Force wanted to get rid of them, and we dumped quite a few, er, still flying with Mitchell, we’re doing fighter affiliation and wire runs.
AP: What was involved with fighter affiliation? Roughly.
JF: Erm, you’d have a fighter up [unclear] we got to using Spitfires, and er, he’d do attacks on you, and we’d have a camera mounted on your gun sight, only little tiny things they were, [unclear] and er, they would record, er, the fighter attacking and when you got back, they would be processed by a photo, photographic section, and then, and the films were assessed on a screen er [pause]. Now [pause] I continued doing practise, bombing, and, cross countries, cross country duty not carried out, I don’t know why, recalled to base, that’s unusual, I wonder why that was? Ah, sorry, Mitchell apparently disappeared after the eighth of the sixth, he went, he didn’t say goodbye or [unclear], just went and er, we then had another fella, Flying Officer Clayton, erm, and we were doing the same things, you know, preparing to go to the Far East, er, it was all training. We did radio range [unclear], don’t know what that was, that would be done with the wireless op, [unclear] fighter affiliation, fighter affiliation, fighter affiliation, fighter affiliation, loads of that, so taken a pair of guns away with us and told us to [unclear]. Bloody Air Force [pause]. Ah, now [pause] -
AP: Just for the record, interview paused.
JF: Yes, here I’ve moved from 44 Squadron, sorry, from 83 Squadron to a Heavy Conversion Unit, and that [pause], oh, here we are, I was at Coningsby up to the thirty first of the tenth, forty five, and then I went to Finningley, Finn-ing-ley, which was a Bomber Command instructors course, and then, from there, on the tenth of the eleventh, forty five, went to North Luffenham, which was a Heavy Conversion Unit, er, and we were training people up until, no, those dates are wrong [pause] [unclear].
AP: Just for the record, interview paused.
JF: And I was at Cambridge when we was demobbed, and we used to meet quite regularly, er, and he, but he died a couple of years ago, poor John [unclear], which probably was a good thing in a way because he’d gone blind or almost blind and he wasn’t taking it very well, a bit niggly on the phone, or some at -
AP: What was his surname?
JF: Norman, Johnny Norman, yeh, poor John.
AP: For the record, interview paused.
JF: Conversion Unit, so screened gunner, that means actually, screened gunner it says, then air gunner, that means, that’s a number of trips that we did to Moreton-in-the-Marsh and [unclear] to dump aircraft [pause] and we were up to the ninth of September, er, forty-six, we’re still flying as a screen gunner, fighter affiliation, and those airlift to Lindholme, fighter affiliation.
AP: Is this the conversion unit, sixteen sixty, wasn’t it?
JF: Sixteen fifty-three, Conversion Unit, that’s the last.
AP: For the record, interview, paused.
JF: Tenth, forty-six, could have come out on class B, class B, you got two weeks leave, I think, not long, and er, you were back into civvy street [laughs] and I came out on a class A, which is the normal class, we got a bit longer leave, and I, I’d reached that stage where I hadn’t made my mind up whether I wanted to stay in or not, but I couldn’t see, what I could be doing, ‘cos, I realised, that, erm, the aircraft that we were flying would have had to change, and the gunners would not be used, needed. If you’ve got fast enough aircraft, you don’t need air gunners, which is surplus baggage [laughs].
AP: So, what did you actually do, once you were actually demobbed?
JF: I was, I was a plumber apprentice up until the time I went into the RAF, and I went back to plumbing, er, until, I was happily married, and, I did, quite a number of exams, sorry, quite a bit of training at er, evening class, er, and got qualifications, and eventually went to Bolton, which was a training course. It’s attached to Manchester University, and er, there were all sorts of different trades there, building trade, printing, er, our friend along the road, he was a, I don’t know quite what he did actually, but he was in the typewriting and that type of stuff. So having got trained, you had to get a job, there was no guarantee of a job, but I got a job at Reading Tech, er, stayed there about nine years, a job came up here, for a higher position, so I came up here, finished up as deputy head in the construction department, and then, when I was old enough, I was demobbed.
AP: So, when you came down here, was you with, did you go to West Suffolk College?
JF: Yes.
AP: West Suffolk College.
JF: West Suffolk College.
AP: For the record, interview now finished at twelve forty-two with Jimmy Froud.
JF: Froud [laughter].
AP: Froud.
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